Now there’s a term worth adopting.
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Now there’s a term worth adopting.
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I tire of what has become a predictable, constant drumbeat of anti-Christian rhetoric.
The latest I’ve seen is this ironically self-righteous anti-Christian rant aimed mainly at the Christian right, making implicit accusations using worn stereotypes which do not fit most Christians, even right-leaning Christians.
“Jesus was a guy who was a peaceful, radical, nonviolent revolutionary, who hung around with lepers, hookers, and criminals, who never spoke English, was not an American citizen, a man who was anti-capitalism, anti-wealth, anti-public prayer (YES HE WAS Matthew 6:5), anti-death penalty but never once remotely anti-gay, didn’t mention abortion, didn’t mention premarital sex, a man who never justified torture, who never called the poor ‘lazy’, who never asked a leper for a co-pay, who never fought for tax cuts for the wealthiest Nazarenes, who was a long haired, brown skinned (that’s in revelations),homeless, middle eastern Jew? Of course, that’s only if you believe what’s actually IN the Bible.”
We know Jesus was peaceful and radical and revolutionary – generally in a non-violent way, though we do know he was capable of displaying anger and wrath
 And the people said: This is Jesus the prophet, from Nazareth of Galilee.  And Jesus went into the temple of God, and cast out all them that sold and bought in the temple, and overthrew the tables of the money changers, and the chairs of them that sold doves:  And he saith to them: It is written, My house shall be called the house of prayer; but you have made it a den of thieves .
I don’t think anyone has ever suggested he was an American citizen or spoke English, this is merely a telling sign that the poster has no clue what the Christian right really believes and doesn’t care — it’s merely a fictional foil to contrast themselves against … in public … to receive adulation … but more on that later.
Every Christian knows that Jesus loved and accepted everyone, but not everyone’s behavior. Mary Magdalene had been a prostitute, but she repented and followed Christ as a disciple. Disapproving of someone’s behavior is not the same thing as hate, modern progressive rhetoric aside. If we think Jesus approved of criminal and other immoral behavior, we’re ignoring his entire teaching. And Christians don’t disapprove of the diseased, they help them.
Jesus was NOT anti-capitalism
Matthew 20:1 ““For the kingdom of heaven is like a landowner who went out early in the morning to hire workers for his vineyard. He agreed to pay them a Denarius for the day and sent them into his vineyard.”
and while it is true he never “called the poor lazy” as a sweeping segment (nor do modern day American conservatives), he was definitely in favor of taking what you have been given and making more of it … which is pretty much the core of capitalism.
Matthew 25: 31-46
“It will be as when a man who was going on a journey called in his servants and entrusted his possessions to them. To one he gave five talents; to another, two; to a third, one—to each according to his ability. Then he went away. Immediately the one who received five talents went and traded with them, and made another five. Likewise, the one who received two made another two. But the man who received one went off and dug a hole in the ground and buried his master’s money. After a long time the master of those servants came back and settled accounts with them. The one who had received five talents came forward bringing the additional five. He said, ‘Master, you gave me five talents. See, I have made five more.’ His master said to him, ‘Well done, my good and faithful servant. Since you were faithful in small matters, I will give you great responsibilities. Come, share your master’s joy.’… Then the one who had received the one talent came forward and said…out of fear I went off and buried your talent in the ground. Here it is back.’ His master said to him in reply, ‘You wicked, lazy servant…Should you not then have put my money in the bank so that I could have got it back with interest on my return? Now then! Take the talent from him and give it to the one with ten. For to everyone who has, more will be given and he will grow rich; but from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. And throw this useless servant into the darkness outside, where there will be wailing and grinding of teeth.”
“To every one who has, more will be given and he will grow rich” doesn’t sound anti-wealth to me at all.
Further, in Timothy 1:
“Command those who are rich in this present world not to be arrogant nor to put their hope in wealth, which is so uncertain, but to put their hope in God, who richly provides us with everything for our enjoyment. Command them to do good, to be rich in good deeds, and to be generous and willing to share. In this way they will lay up treasure for themselves as a firm foundation for the coming age, so that they may take hold of the life that is truly life.”
That’s not anti-wealth, that’s just a caution to wealthy people that God … and his teachings … come ahead of wealth, and that wealth will not save you. It doesn’t say you can’t be wealthy.
Jesus was not anti public prayer. What he was against was praying in public motivated by the drawing of praise adulation to yourself. You know, much like what the people who are posting this nonsense are after (and certainly not to attack others on a personal level). The point was that prayer is between a person or people and God, not a show to be put on to display one’s holiness. This is not the same thing as being against any prayer in public. It’s the motive, not the act that he was talking about in Matthew 6:5.
As with many, many subjects, Jesus never really spoke about the death penalty. While he was probably against it in general, he wasn’t anti self-defense, and the Church itself says it is justifiable to defend human lives against unjust aggression.
Jesus never mentioned homosexuality explicitly. But no serious Bible scholar would say that he thought it was ok. And again, as with other things, it is the sin that is rejected, not the sinner. And if anything goes, why would St. Paul … in the Bible (1 Cor. 6:9-11)… talk of fornicators, idolaters, adulterers, sexual perverts, thieves, misersm drunkards, slanderers, and robbers not inheriting the Kingdom of God?
Again, this does not constitute hating people, it is a belief about what constitutes unacceptable behavior.
Absolutely, Jesus never justified torture. Of course, he never justified eating potatoes, either (look, scour that Bible — nothing about potatoes). Again, though, he never argued that it wasn’t justifiable to defend human lives against unjust aggression.
Jesus never asked a leper for a co-pay. Of course, the only overhead Jesus had was food and shelter. He was God, too … remember what he could do with a few fishes and loaves and a jug of water. I seem to remember a passage where he calmed a storm while they were out fishing as well.
Being God, he was able to heal by touch. And certainly Jesus would teach that we should help when we can, including in matters of health care. But he wouldn’t fight to force you to pay into a system that provided services he himself considered immoral, nor would he pay into such a system.
Again, among many other things, Jesus did not mention abortion. But,
“Before I formed you in the womb I knew you, and before you were born I consecrated you” – no, the word “abortion” doesn’t appear there but it’s pretty clear.
Of course Jesus did not fight for tax cuts for the wealthy. Nor did he fight for tax increases for them or anyone else. Jesus taught that it was each of our personal reponsibility to care for those around us. Offloading that responsibility to the government was never mentioned. He said give to Ceasar what is Ceasar’s and to give to God what is God’s. He was familiar with corrupt governments and the abuse of government authority by special interests.
Jesus has always been depicted as having long hair and as a travelling preacher without a proper home – Christians have never argued he wasn’t a “middle-eastern Jew”, and they have revered him as the Son of God and the founder of their faith … so that last “dig” is really bizarre.
* Thanks largely to On This Rock blog. I was looking for a text version of the “John Fuglesang” quote to use in my response, and I stumbled upon Father John Hollowell’s excellent post. I wanted to generalize it a bit to be a less Catholic-centric and add my own two cents, which is how we ended up with the above.Loading Likes...
These people really are clueless, aren’t they?
Well at least their useful idiots are. And many of the perps probably are as well.
Saw this going around on facebook … idiotic nonsense … yeah. The meme is, WalMart costs us money, because … all money belongs to the Government and we think all of WalMart’s profits should go there.
Wal-Mart Stores Tax Total: $7.1 billion
U.S. federal: $5.3 billion
U.S. state and local: $677 million
International: $1.1 billion
Where to begin? How much more would we be paying in taxes for people who aren’t on unemployment because they work for WalMart? It payed 32.5% of its profit in taxes and it payed low-skilled employees money from a private source that would otherwise be paid by … taxpayers — if they were sitting at home on welfare or unemployment — and while doing this work they are getting the opportunity to gain work experience and establish a reputation to better their position in life (which would include higher wages, thus higher income taxes, plus better benefits, health care, etc? I made minimum wage once, too.).
Our precious proggies wanna add that 7.8 Billion back in and make it 67.4%, because, “progress”, I guess. They can’t (or won’t) see that WalMart adds value to the economy, employs people, and pays $7.1 Billion in corporate income taxes — and they talk like it’s COSTING the government money. All money generated by any economic activity is apparently owned by the government (because, you know, “you didn’t build that”), and if they’re nice they’ll let you keep some of it, I guess.
And let’s remember that 7.1 billion is just corporate income tax, it doesn’t include the percentage of the wages it creates that goes into SSI (plus the equally matching amount 6.2% +6.2%=12.4% …. but since only 6.2% of that comes out of technical wages it’s more than 12.4% of wages generated), plus the enormous amount of sales tax it generates, or the income tax that employees pay … from revenue generated by … WalMart.
If you see this bullsh*t out there, please call people on it!Loading Likes...