Where’s the Freakout?

We have a category of posts called “The Grasshopper Lies Heavy.”  Pretentious, I know, but it’s the shortest tag I could think of on the spur of the moment to describe a very weird phenomenon: Stuff that seems to be capital-H History passing by completely unremarked.*

I’ve written almost too many posts to count about how the collapse of a major political party is a big deal.  Here’s one about the collapse of the Democrats.  Here’s one in which I wonder, yet again, why nobody seems bothered by this stuff.  So here’s another one:

Via the Z Man, here’s The Weekly Standard‘s Bill Kristol openly declaring his intention to go 3rd party should Trump win the nomination:

And since nobody believes Trump will go quietly if he doesn’t win the nomination, a major 3rd party run is pretty much inevitable in a few months.  And given that, does anyone think that the Republican Party makes it past 2016?  Trump’s clown show only exists because the “base” — which seems to mean “donors of under six figures” — is so disgusted by the money boys that they’re only voting to stick a finger in their eyes.

Let me repeat that: Pretty much every single Trump vote is a fuck you to the Establishment.  I’ve never met a Trump supporter who can fluently discuss Trump’s positions on the issues, for the simple reason that Trump doesn’t have any.  And let me repeat that: The fountainhead of Trump’s appeal is that he doesn’t have positions, i.e. the first and highest function of a political party.

Does anyone really think all those “fuck you!” voters are just going to go away if GOP 2.0 hands the election to Hillary Clinton?  Right now they’re just fuck you voters; after four years of the Lizard Queen, there will be fuck you secession conventions.

This has happened before, y’all.

Best case scenario — using that term very, very loosely — you get 1912, where Teddy Roosevelt led the Progressive Republicans away into the Bull Moose Party, handing the White House to Woodrow Wilson and starting the fascist era.  American liberty got its lethal injection that year, but hey, at least there weren’t shots fired.

Second best-case scenario is 1852, where the Whig Party simply disappears after it resolutely refuses to take a stand on the only issue that matters.  The Whig candidate that year was Gen. Winfield Scott, a hero of the Mexican War, but the voters joked that General Apathy would be the real winner, since even the Dems couldn’t be bothered to nominate a real candidate (Franklin Pierce, the eventual nominee, was the darkest of dark horses, emerging as a compromise candidate after the horse trading failed for half a dozen other guys).  But hey, the shooting didn’t start for another 8 years, so I guess that’s a win.

Worst case scenario, of course, is the collapse of the Democratic Party in 1860.  People forget that Lincoln won only because the Dems split three ways — proslavery, really proslavery, and silently proslavery.  Lincoln was the “fuck you” candidate in that scenario, the guy you voted for if you were tired of Southern slaveholders in the White House since… well, pretty much since the Adams administration.

As I say, this seems to be a big deal however you slice it.  If you know anything at all about American history, you should be pretty fucking nervous right now.  And yet… nothing.

Weird.

 

 

 

*In the novel The Man in the High Castle, a book called The Grasshopper Lies Heavy told the “alternate” history of WWII in their world, which is what really happened in ours.  So many commentators on the current scene seem to be misreading history so deliberately that I wonder if I somehow got the “alternate” version of the textbook back in high school… the version where there’s clear historical precedent for all this stuff.

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22 thoughts on “Where’s the Freakout?

  1. Robert Mitchell Jr.

    You can only cry wolf so many times (Not pointing at you. The last time, the wolf really was there. Dang). We heard much the same things about the Libertarian party, and the Reform party, yes? Heck, the only reason Pornstar got elected was because the Reform party split the vote. The world didn’t end, the Republican party didn’t end. And, despite all the frothing, we still quietly, slowly, stepping away from the Fascist state the Democrats built. Thanks to the Internet, it’s no longer possible to control the message, and the Supreme Court has been stepping away from the “Magic Commerce Clause”, and Gun Rights are the strongest they’ve been in a hundred years.

  2. Nate Winchester

    Part of me still wonders…

    If Trump is a democrat plot (just humor the idea) and say went far enough to win the nomination, but then dropped out of the race at the near last second… what about then?

    At the rate things are going, if 2016 is just an average election year, I’ll be shocked.

  3. Severian

    I don’t think there’s any way 2016 will be a normal election year. As I’ve said, I think the GOP is toast after this. There are only two scenarios I see where they even make it to 2020:

    1) They see the writing on the wall, and pull together behind Trump to salvage what they can salvage, or

    2) Somebody pulls a Sirhan Sirhan on Trump (and probably Cruz too); Marco Rubio emerges as the GOP’s Hubert Humphrey (in 1968, Robert F. Kennedy was the odds on favorite to win the Dem nomination, and probably the presidency, until Sirhan Sirhan experienced Sudden Onset Jihad Syndrome and offed him. Minnesota Sen. Hubert Humphrey won out among the also-rans, and went on to get his clock cleaned by Richard Nixon).

    I think #2 is the far scarier scenario, obviously, and I don’t even have to wrap on more than two layers of tinfoil to think the GOP itself might order the hit. In which case the gloves come off — a virulent white national socialist party by 2020 at best, hot civil war at worst.

    But #1 also seems pretty damn unlikely. It’s Caesarism 101 — cucks like Krauthammer, Bill Kristol, etc., aren’t going to give up their cushy jobs, and while a few of them can make equivalent livings by seeing the light and becoming born-again liberals, that’s not a gig for everyone. Jonah Goldberg, for example, will find himself on the breadline, since the Left already has all the punny jokester pseudo-nerds it will require for the next few hundred years. At the same time, these guys have nothing to gain by making nicey-nice with Trump, as Teh Donald doesn’t forget, and he sure as hell doesn’t forgive. He’s had no need of the Cucks thus far; why should he cut them in on the spoils of office in exchange for the exact same (nonexistent) level of support?

    Which is why I maintain that 2016 is it for the GOP. Either Trump goes 3rd party, or they do. And… whatever happens, at best it’s just kicking the can down the road for a few more years. The Mexican War (1846-8) made the Civil War pretty much inevitable, as it was obviously a land grab on behalf of slaveholders.* But all-out efforts by both parties postponed the day of reckoning for two more elections. A GOP-brokered Hillary victory brings the inevitable on a bit faster, but it’s coming regardless.
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    *Under the Missouri Compromise (1820) any territory taken from Mexico would automatically become slave territory. The Compromise of 1850 brought California in as a free state (though most of it was below the line) in order to preserve the balance in the Senate. And that’s the best Stephen Douglas, one of the most talented pure politicians America has ever produced, could do — kick the can down the road another 10 years (in reality, only another four years, as he torpedoed his own compromise with the Kansas-Nebraska Act… but that’s not really relevant. Point is, we’re fucked. But y’all knew that already).

    1. Nate Winchester

      He’s had no need of the Cucks thus far; why should he cut them in on the spoils of office in exchange for the exact same (nonexistent) level of support?

      Are you kidding? Trump needs “the Cucks” the same way the Democrat party needs straight white men. Without a unifying enemy force the coalition breaks down.

      Part of me wonders if we won’t see the GOP pull something of a “chinpokamon” (for those South Park fans out there) and start endorsing Trump in an effort to pull the bloom off the rose.

      1. Severian

        I meant “have no need of the Cucks in his administration,” obviously. 🙂

        The Party boys have incentive to make nicey-nice with Jeb, Rubio, etc., because they get to be well-paid lackeys, flunkeys, and general hangers-on if one of those turds becomes President. Goldberg, Kristol, et al get paid a lot of money to explain to the gullible why the recent Establishment-delivered shivving isn’t a knife in the back at all, but a glorious victory for “conservatism.”

        Trump will have no use for those clowns, just as he’ll have no use for the Reince Priebuses and other RNC guys. In fact, the whole RNC is pretty much out of a job if Donald wins — if he remains a “Republican,” he’ll have to replace the whole apparatus with his own people to have any chance of doing anything.

        Ergo, the Cucks have nothing to lose, and everything to gain, by going third party. So the GOP is toast.

        Unless, as you suggest, they start talking up what great friends they are with Donald, and how well he’ll be received at Beltway cocktail parties. Jeb calling him “my very good friend,” an endorsement or two from Rich Lowry, and it’s all over for Das Trumpenkrieg.

        1. Nate Winchester

          Now now, Severian, don’t drink too much of the Kool-aid. 😉

          I’m also starting to wonder what happens if:

          1) Trump wins the nom, then loses the general election BAD (like Goldwater 2.0 bad).

          2) Or he wins everything, then turns out to be sincere. Heck we have “sanctuary cities” that are breaking the lax laws we have NOW, are they really going to change if Trump goes hardcore? If they don’t, what then? Are tanks going to roll down San Fransisco’s streets? And if they did, how long could a party or movement survive when it has to occupy its neighbors?

          Like I said, if it’s a dull year next year, I’ll be DAMNED surprised.

          1. Severian

            Whether or not Trump’s serious, it won’t matter. Anything he tries to do in Congress will be bipartisanly torpedoed, and anything he tries to do by executive order will be struck down by some judge. President Trump couldn’t get the “Puppies and Kittens are Cute” Act of 2016 through Congress… and merely by proposing it, the entire MSM will agree that snapping turtles are the hot new pet this holiday season.

            Which is — as I’ve said — the only reason I support him. People need to see that the rot goes all the way down. That’s the only spur to reform, assuming — a big if — that reform is even possible. If we get very lucky, we see at least one of the parties start clearing the decks in an attempt to get back to a functional government.

            If not, well… then, yeah, at some point the tanks really do roll through the streets. What can’t endure, won’t. People have no need to remain loyal to a government that’s disloyal to them, and have no need to remain passive in the face of a government that’s actually, actively aggressive against them. A white nationalist fascist party sweeping it by 2024 at best, hot civil war at worst.

            Happy new year!

  4. mysterian

    “1912, where Teddy Roosevelt led the Progressive Republicans away into the Bull Moose Party, handing the White House to Woodrow Wilson and starting the fascist era. ”

    If TR had won he would a brought “fascism’ in his style instead…

  5. Severian

    True. He was a “Progressive,” after all — Progressivism is fascism. We had a brief return to normalcy under Harding and Coolidge, but those guys were the last American conservatives; as a political/philosophical system, it’s been dead as disco for a century.

  6. Gary

    Apologies for this filibuster.

    As this election unfolds at glacial speed, I’m becoming increasingly uneasy because there seems to be a small chance of any positive outcome and a high chance of a very negative outcome–such as 8 years of destructive reign of the Lizard Queen (which, following all the damage inflicted by Barack the Terrible, could complete the “transformation” of the US into something almost totally unrecognizable).

    As you say, another potentially catastrophic outcome might be the collapse of the GOP, though I’m not about to freak out over it. To begin with, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are that the GOP is toast (and the Z Man, suddenly awestruck by the fearsome might of a puny cuckservative, fails to convince me that Bill Kristol will bring the whole creaking GOP edifice crashing down with one Samson-like tweet), though the GOP should be toast if it’s only function is to ratify the left’s agenda and offer up new episodes of Failure Theater. At which point, what would prevent all the non-lefties from gathering under some other banner, like the “Leave Us the Hell Alone” party?

    I’m pondering the historical precedents you describe, and something akin to your “Best case scenario” (Bull Moose Party giving the White House to Wilson, beginning the “fascist” era), seems quite possible–or even likely–with a third party splitting the non-lefty vote, handing over control to the Lizard Queen and rendering inevitable the transformation of the US into a huge-government, anti-individualist, Euro-socialist steaming hulk, a place where the government confiscates perhaps 50% – 70% of your income, constantly tells you what you can and cannot do (when it’s not telling you what you MUST do) and political correctness is the de facto governing philosophy. Assuming their insane overspending and dis-incentives to work don’t precipitate an immediate economic crisis.

    So any scenario in which Madam Hillary winds up as president with the massive executive powers Barack the Terrible has arrogated to that position is IMHO very frightening. Splitting the vote of the loose coalition of Americans who would usually vote Republican would deliver us this scenario, and it seems to me that whether the GOP collapses after that disaster is a secondary concern.

    If the GOP remains in its current role, constantly backing down and allowing (or assisting) a leftist president to do whatever he/she wants, I think the real danger would be if the party weren’t replaced by a new party or a completely revamped one that acts as a real opposition force. Otherwise, we’d just have more of what we’ve seen in the last several years: an out-and-proud socialist party pushing their agenda down the country’s throat and a lame “opposition” party that only occasionally makes token efforts to slow it down–or even abets it. This would put us on the fast track to an anti-liberty, mega-PC, Euro-socialist state.

    I’d make the following conjecture regarding the historical examples of a disastrous implosion of a major political party, a conjecture that applies now and especially to the 1860 Democrats: the collapse of the party is merely the symptom of a much bigger problem and is caused by the party’s refusal to deal with it. Prior to the Civil War, slavery was the massive problem that was so contentious the Whigs in 1852 and the Democrats in 1860 preferred to pretend the it didn’t exist.

    As I see it, the current big problem is the division of Americans into two irreconcilable camps, one that demands ever-increasing government providing ever-increasing “benefits” by confiscating ever more income from productive individuals while also controlling and regulating as much as it can–versus the opposite camp that wants government rolled back, confiscating less of their income and controlling less of what they do. I just do not see how these two camps can come to any stable accommodation.

    As always, the left will scream that the other side is intransigent and unwilling to “compromise.” But this is just their stupid, though effective, tactic of getting what they want through a series of “compromises,” each of which delivers some part of their master agenda. At each step in this process, the left gives up nothing, but always accuses the other side of being pigheaded and unwilling to deal in good faith. This tactic is so dishonest and repugnant it could not succeed without massive propaganda backing by the MSM.

    This process of increasing taxes, bigger government, more regulation and less individual freedom has been going on almost unabated since LBJ’s Great Society in the 60s (or perhaps since FDR’s New Deal). In any case, the rise of the Tea Party and various other groups is an expression that a leave-us-alone coalition is sick to death of 50 years of “compromises” that cost them more and more money, freedom and opportunity. They’re done with all this and in no mood for any more leftward “compromises.”

    Meanwhile, the left is insatiable for more, and has convinced millions of Americans that some level of food, housing, medical care and other entitlements are positive rights, not the generous safety-net of a caring society. These folks, led by the left, are not inclined to give up such things–and why should they, if these entitlements are actual rights?

    So, as with slavery, we have two sides with their heals dug in, completely unwilling to give ground to the other. Nobody wants to deal with this kind of explosive situation, so the parties do everything they can to ignore it. (That is, the GOP tries to ignore it while the Dems exploit the status quo to their advantage, pretending they’re fighting the good fight against a phony War on Women, Islamophobic Backlash and other fabricated nonsense.) This explains the odd phenomenon in which a political party “resolutely refuses to take a stand on the only issue that matters”: the Whigs in 1852 or today’s Republican Party. The fact that such a party will not deal with the most important issue leads to their collapse, but the underlying problem is the intractable conflict they’re trying to avoid.

    Something drastic needs to be done, but I for one don’t want to see anything remotely resembling a civil war. At this point, the only semi-plausible solution I’ve heard is Mark Levin’s idea of using Article V of the Constitution to call a convention of the states. Two-thirds of the state legislatures (34 or more states) can call such a convention, and a vote of 75% of the states is required to amend the Constitution. The idea is to plug the holes in the existing Constitution so as to rein in the runaway power of the federal government (Levin has suggested a number of good amendments himself). For a while I thought this was just a crackpot idea, but I don’t see any other decent solutions and I believe a fair number of states are already on board (over 20, I think). See http://www.conventionofstates.com or search “convention of states.”

    1. Nate Winchester

      To begin with, I’m not nearly as convinced as you are that the GOP is toast (and the Z Man, suddenly awestruck by the fearsome might of a puny cuckservative, fails to convince me that Bill Kristol will bring the whole creaking GOP edifice crashing down with one Samson-like tweet), though the GOP should be toast if it’s only function is to ratify the left’s agenda and offer up new episodes of Failure Theater.

      Yeah, I don’t think “the establishment” is near the boogeyman a lot of people like to make it out to be and that everything’s far more chaotic than most think. Especially now that civics is being taught so poorly in schools nowadays, even many conservatives are starting to buy into the leftist view of “we won, we should get whatever we want.”

      If the GOP remains in its current role, constantly backing down and allowing (or assisting) a leftist president to do whatever he/she wants, I think the real danger would be if the party weren’t replaced by a new party or a completely revamped one that acts as a real opposition force.

      I gained a lot more sympathy for the GOP when, well I just post the guy’s comment that learned me something new.

      From: https://disqus.com/home/discussion/licd/least_i_could_do_the_comic_707/#comment-2418435650

      You put your finger on exactly the reason why we should keep the electoral college, voter fraud. The district by district vs winner take all question is handled by state law so no need to change the US constitution for that.

      You may not know but the GOP is under consent decree not to fight voter fraud based on some bare knuckles politicking they did in New Jersey. The consent decree dates back to 1981. That’s how long the fox has been guarding the henhouse. So long as that decree is in force, the credibility of those voter rolls will be going downhill.

      [another person replies]

      You can read about the case here:
      http://judicialview.com/Court-Cases/Civil-Procedure/Democratic-National-Committee-v-Republican-National-Committee/10/201975

      The fact remains that the GOP does not generally fight against voter fraud and hasn’t since 1982. The GOP has internally normalized that it must win elections beyond the margin of fraud.

      The Electoral College, by limiting fraud damage in the presidential election, does useful service. It should stay.

      If we were to put it in football terms, it’s not just the other team that the GOP is fighting against, not just the broadcasters & commentators scrutinizing EVERY play they make, but the very refs on the field too. Meanwhile the fans are complaining about every turnover. Even if we up and dismantle the team and put a new one in, is that going to make a difference? We’ll still be playing on the same field, in the same league, with the same refs.

      Conservatives keep fighting the symptom, we need to figure out how to attack the disease. I agree with John Nolte (I think it was him) who said something to the effect of, “It doesn’t matter if the Left controls congress or the presidency, as long as they control Hollywood, the other two will be theirs eventually.”

      Something drastic needs to be done, but I for one don’t want to see anything remotely resembling a civil war.

      Would that we could all go back to federalism. Let California be as nutty as they want and Texas as gun crazy as they want. Practically ALL our problems stem from the federal government trying to shove a one-size-fits-all policy on everybody.

      1. Gary

        Yeah, I don’t think “the establishment” is near the boogeyman a lot of people like to make it out to be and that everything’s far more chaotic than most think.

        To me, that tweet looks more like a bitter joke expressing exasperation that Trump might actually take the GOP nomination than a call for action to start a third party.

        It’s quite possible that Kristol would use his position as editor of The Weekly Standard to help torpedo Trump’s campaign if he wins the GOP nomination, but I doubt he (and other Republican “establishment” types) want to kill the party. They’ve got too much invested in it, and trying to restore control of it is much easier than starting a new party from scratch. In any case, I think we need a lot more evidence than a single tweet to conclude that the GOP “establishment” is about to run a third party candidate.

        I gained a lot more sympathy for the GOP when, well I just post the guy’s comment that learned me something new.

        Wow. This is all news to me, too. I read a bit of that 1981 case resulting in a consent decree limiting the GOP’s ability to fight voter fraud, but need to look at it more carefully. Voter fraud is absolutely real and no joke. From what I know, Al Franken’s election to the senate was almost certainly stolen. And without his vote, we would not be stuck with Obamacare. Huge things can hinge on whether the left can push through a just a few hundred phony votes–and they’ll do it as much as they think they can get away with it. It’s very frustrating to realize that most close elections will be taken by the Dems through cheating.

        If we were to put it in football terms, it’s not just the other team that the GOP is fighting against, not just the broadcasters & commentators scrutinizing EVERY play they make, but the very refs on the field too. Meanwhile the fans are complaining about every turnover.

        This is why I have some sympathy for the Republicans in congress who are taking so much flak. While it’s true they rolled over and acceded to almost all of Obama’s/Dems’ wishes, nobody mentions what a daunting task it is for them to win. IMHO, the biggest factor is that the MSM is totally in the tank for the left, so Republicans come out looking awful no matter how reasonable they are and no matter how outrageously unreasonable King Barack and the Dems are. This is why Republicans always back down when a “government shutdown” is threatened–which, in turn, explains why Obama and the Dems win every budget (or debt ceiling increase) showdown.

        So GOP congressmen face serious difficulties and constantly risk being slimed by the MSM. But surely they must have known that before they decided to run for office. Only a idiot would think this job would be a cakewalk. To succeed, they need to be very bold and they need to be very clever at finding ways to work around the MSM with innovative PR (eg like Breitbart used to do). But instead of being bold and clever, they’re wimpy and stupid: they shrink from the difficult challenges and they make little or no effort at all to get their message out. This is why I, like so many other conservative/libertarian types, am angry and frustrated by their failures.

    2. Severian

      I’ve heard a lot about this Article V convention over the last few years. And I have one simple question: What on earth makes you think the political class would obey it?

      I’m not joking. I’m not being snarky. I’m honestly curious.

      They’ve ignored everything else. The Supreme Court has basically ruled the Constitution unconstitutional — not just once, but in a series of decisions, each more ludicrous than the last. Do you honestly think the Robertses, Kennedys, and Sotomayors can’t find a way to throw out whatever such a convention decides on some kind of technicality?

      If it comes down to brass tacks, the political class willrevolt. It happened in 1860 — a tiny minority of the legislative class led the South out of the Union. It can happen again. As with the Southerners in 1860, they are convinced — utterly convinced — that the People don’t know what they want. That’s the fundamental disconnect you describe. It was there in 1860, and now it’s back.

      1. nightfly

        With one added wrinkle – the entrenched powers can bring a lot more force to bear a lot more quickly. I saw it best-expressed on Twitter with this Oregon nonsense: “The worst-case is Ruby Ridge or Waco, only with drones.” If this went all to hell, the citizens are up against a lot steeper force differential than they would be in 1860, and not just in terms of what they have, but in how quickly they can move what they have to where it’s wanted.

        For much of my adult life I’ve always been reassured that, when it came right down to the sticking place, that many servicemembers simply wouldn’t obey orders to move against their fellow citizens, but I am less reassured now than ever. Some certainly would not; but I see that regardless of circumstances, some would, with gusto. Fewer than those who would resist such calls to impose tyranny? I hope so. But not all of those thus willing are active military. A lot of them are in the civilian police forces, themselves militarized, and so much on the defensive right now that any excuse to mobilize might seem welcome to them.

        On Twitter, I see plenty of people with no qualms calling for the obliteration of that frozen unmanned shack in the forest, as if it held a deadly plague or zombie hordes rather than a bunch of cold, tired, fed-up ranchers. Now, no doubt that most of the Twitterati are just puffing up like most prey trying to pass as predators. If woken up, flown to Oregon, and handed a rifle with the words, “Your dreams have come true – go for it,” many of them would be unable to actually blow off that head in the crosshairs. But enough of them would seize on the chance, and that number would grow alarmingly if they were told, “We are in control, and you will face no repercussions at all, ever.”

        None of this is really that surprising, I guess. It’s human nature to get away with whatever you can, especially if you have official approval of some sort. (This is where that famed psychological study comes in where very ordinary people dutifully shock people when ordered, even when those shocks seem to inflict terrible pain on the “test subjects.”) More people are simply falling back on that native savagery instead of on more civilized concepts – again, natural since it looks like civilization is in full-blown retreat. The civilized are themselves accused of being savages for protecting themselves, held to blame for defense while their attackers are coddled, condoned, even lauded. It can’t end well at all, but it will eventually end.

        For every Twitter tough guy, there are probably dozens who are too stupid or too disinterested to get online… but they’re plenty good at the tough part, and so long as they’re following another strongman, they’ll fall in and march against whatever target is set before them, because it gives them a purpose, it gives some official sanction to their natural inclination to bust heads, and they will enjoy their work too much to care at all about the end goal or the reasons behind it. They are in reality what the Left stupidly assumes the military is. Even if active service members did resist openly any orders to war on their own, they could be readily replaced, a Brute Squad of sorts, or a “loyalist militia” to counter any resistance or defection. On top of that, maybe a platoon would refuse, but could they take the armory with them? Could they resupply?

        It would be a nightmare on nearly every level even if a Constitutional Republic came out the other end of it.

        1. Severian

          The shit will have truly hit the fan — we’ll go full Weimar, in other words — when the Opposition gets themselves a general.

          That, ultimately, is what brought Hitler into the Weimar government. The President was told on no uncertain terms that, should there be another “rightist” putsch, the army couldn’t put it down. Bringing Hitler in was the only way to stave off that threat.

          Our generals usually don’t play (public) politics while on field service. But if some charismatic younger fellow were to start opining on what the National Guard units under his command might or might not do if called upon to put down domestic insurrection….

          Eventually the armed forces are going to have to publicly play politics. Neoimperial adventures are expensive, and we don’t have the budget, and we certainly don’t have the budget to do much of anything saddled with another eleventy zillion dollars in entitlement spending. Any general who publicly vowed to resign his commission if ordered to suppress patriotic dissent like in Oregon would become an instant hero to millions of patriots…

          …and then things get really interesting. How many soldiers are willing to get shot at defending gay couples’ sacred right to a Christian-baked wedding cake?

        2. Nate Winchester

          The nation wouldn’t have to fight, just go on strike. (I’m not really joking, have you ever thought about just how much work goes into maintaining… EVERYTHING?)

          Heck cut off Washington DC’s internet and burn down their whole foods and they’ll sue for peace in a heartbeat.

      2. Gary

        I’ve heard a lot about this Article V convention over the last few years. And I have one simple question: What on earth makes you think the political class would obey it?

        Do you honestly think the Robertses, Kennedys, and Sotomayors can’t find a way to throw out whatever such a convention decides on some kind of technicality?
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        Hmmmmmmmm. These are good questions. And unfortunately, I don’t have any good answers (the last 3 paragraphs give an unsatisfying, mediocre one, but this is just a bad situation with no happy solutions).

        In fact, I can picture the scenario where they somehow manage to get 34 states to sign on and call such a convention. Democrats, pundits, academics and especially the MSM would start a huge media drumbeat day after day, screaming their lungs out about how completely undemocratic and illegitimate the convention is:
        WHY ON EARTH SHOULD WYOMING AND NEBRASKA AND MISSISSIPPI HAVE THE SAME VOTING POWER AS CALIFORNIA AND NEW YORK AND ILLINOIS? This is nothing but a small cabal of right-wing fanatics trying to use some bizarre tactic to take away the rights of the vast majority of Americans!

        This kind of mass media effort will likely convince about 30% of Americans who are low-information types. Combined with another 20% of serious lefties and 15% left-leaners who are also easily convinced, they’d have a 65% – 35% advantage (or something like that), where the 65% believe the convention is completely illegitimate. At that point, the Supreme Court would rule that ALL the convention’s amendments are null and void, and anyone attempting to enforce any part of any amendment contrary to established law shall be arrested and tried.

        Nevertheless, I think this thing ought to be attempted, but it needs to be done right, and that means whipping up a media blitz of their own at least 2 months prior to the convention, during the convention and indefinitely after the convention completes. I still think they’d lose the media war and the Supreme Court would rule against them, but instead of a 65% – 35% disadvantage in public opinion, they might be able to close the gap to 53% – 47%. This doesn’t strike me as totally unreasonable, since those are the kind of numbers a president gets in a “landslide” election.

        What good would this do? Many of us who believe in Constitutional rule of law have been grossly negligent for decades now (I’m as guilty as anyone) and have dug ourselves a very deep hole by not even showing up to the fight, allowing the left to take over the universities and public schools, the MSM, most of popular culture, huge portions of government bureaucracy, the unions, the large foundations, etc. Digging ourselves out of this hole is not going to happen all at once, and it’s not going to be easy. But a well-managed media campaign along with the convention could act as one step in chipping away at that 53%, getting some of those people thinking about states’ rights and maybe the federal government actually has become too big and too expensive and too intrusive. Getting just 3% to flip means we’re at 50% vs 50% and then it’s game on.

        Also, we’ve got at least one big, reliable advantage working for us: the epic incompetence of the federal government. As Boomers retire, causing Social Security and Medicare to start their inevitable collapse (probably along with Obamacare), young workers are forced to pay ridiculous taxes and other shit hits the fan, the left and the MSM are going to have a lot of ‘splaining to do about why Big Government is such a grand idea–while our ongoing media campaign will be pointing out that “we told you so” and why this is absolutely inevitable. Maybe then a big shift will take place in which a significant majority is ready to try small, streamlined Constitutional government that mostly leaves you the hell alone.

    1. nightfly

      I read (or heard) somewhere that this song was actually borne of the frustration the band members had in failing to get into Studio 54 during its heyday. One of the bouncers allegedly said “F**k off!” to them, and they in response wrote up this bouncy ditty, with the bouncer’s advice as the title.

      Eventually, someone sobered up and/or realized that the song would actually be a surefire hit with a little judicious editing, and what was initially meant to be a gigantic disco-tinged middle finger to the disco scene wound up becoming one of its anthems – and surely got Chic their spot out on the floor.

      1. Gary

        … and what was initially meant to be a gigantic disco-tinged middle finger to the disco scene wound up becoming one of its anthems – and surely got Chic their spot out on the floor.

        That’s funny. It always seemed silly to me that people would voluntarily subject themselves to that kind of indignity, but I guess Chic got the last laugh in a big way.

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